Testing in both IE 6 and IE 7

Emil Stenström asks a very important question in his Open letter to the IE Team. With IE 7 now at beta 2 it’s really time for web professionals to start testing their work in it. But installing IE 7 replaces IE 6, which means you can’t test in IE 6 - currently the most widely used browser - anymore. Considering the huge amounts of CSS related bugs in that browser, this is a serious problem.

Emil wants to know which of the following options is recommended by the IE Team (my comments added):

  • Get another computer. Buying a new computer just for testing a new version of a browser? Yeah right.
  • Install a virtual machine. This is the only viable option the way I see it, and it is how I currently test in IE 7. But you have to pay for it unless you already have Virtual PC or a similar application. And do you need to buy a second copy of Windows if you create two virtual machines even though they never run at the same time?
  • Drop support for IE6. Oh, I’d love to. Maybe in five or six years.
  • Hack IE7 to work standalone. Seems like it’s impossible to mention Internet Explorer without also talking about hacking. A hacked, unofficial install that doesn’t treat conditional comments properly? I think not.

What the web developer community really needs is an official, free, Microsoft supported way of running IE 6 and IE 7 on the same computer. Not necessarily at the same time, but without installing and reinstalling between launches.

So, dear IE Team, which is it?

Posted on May 8, 2006 in Browsers, Quicklinks

Comments

  1. This is something I’ve been wondering ever since Beta 1 came out. I’m glad someone important enough to get an answer has finally asked this. Thanks!

  2. This one isn’t working for you?

  3. All this stuff is such a pain in the ass to me that I can’t stand it. I haven’t even thought of actually installing IE7b yet because I know I’ll have to deal with all this junk. I just want to have a machine that can run multiple versions of browsers and just dump all of them on there.

    How do you handle your browser testing? Drives me nuts!

    breathe

  4. May 8, 2006 by pete scott

    It’d be nice if there was a solution that would work with win2k. I’m not buying an XP license just so I can test my sites with IE7.

  5. Trouble is with that hack, Jan, is that you can’t be sure that you really are running “all” of IE7 and not some wierd hybrid of IE6/ IE7 (shudder), and then you wouldn’t really be testing IE7 at all. Obviously, the IE team have all got shares with Dell or some other cheap PC manufacturer, in the hope that several thousand web developers will be buying bottom of the range PCs to load IE7 onto…

    (The new Netscape has the option to use the Trident rendering engine. Does it have its own copy of IE6-Trident, which could be run in parallel with IE7, or does it just use the Trident in the operating system, so if you upgrade to IE7 you automatically upgrade Netscape?)

  6. May 8, 2006 by bert

    Why not create a Windows virtual machine using the free VMWare Player?

  7. There is a hack for the conditional comments: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/multiIE.html.

  8. Currently I run IE7 on one machine and IE6 on another and it’s a pain in the butt - I have to upload what I’m testing so I can test it or copy the whole folder to the other pc!

    Why can’t we run both at the same time?

  9. Coda Hale points out (in the comments to my post) that you might be able to run IE6 standalone and upgrade your IE7 as you’re supposed to. But that’s not really much better than the IE7 standalone hack imo.

    See you on the next Geek Meet Roger :)

  10. Heck yes, what is up with that?? I had a hacked IE7 standalone running for a litle while but now it doesn’t work. Plus, like Bruce said there’s no telling if you’re actually running the full IE7 or what.

    I think it’s utterly pathetic that Microsoft expects developers to either buy another machine or just drop support for the older (most widely used) browser. What jerks.

  11. May 8, 2006 by Bruce Boughton

    You could always use Microsoft Virtual Server (a beefed up Virtual PC) which is free!

    Virtual Server

  12. May 8, 2006 by norcimo

    Why not approach it from the other direction? Install IE7 beta and run a stand alone IE?

  13. May 8, 2006 by Jason Wood

    My solution so far has been to run IE7 as my primary browser and install the other versions of IE I need as stand alones (comment #12). If you do this and use the hacks from the positioniseverything article (comment #7) you are golden. All the versions of IE you want with conditional comments and browser identification in the title bar.

  14. I personally use VMWare Server, which is 100% free and better than VMWare Player. If you’re on Linux, ies4linux works pretty well (much faster than a VM) but doesn’t include IE7 and has some other potential issues.

    Although it’s no substitute for first-hand testing, you might like to check out my standards support tables, which include IE7.

  15. I’d agree the current situation is an utter drag, but let’s not forget the massive legacy issues the IE team must be dealing with here. I’m no programmer, but as I understand it, Internet Explorer got baked right into Windows pretty firmly back in the day, so getting different versions to run together reliably isn’t necessarily something that the IE team could have achieved in the time frame they’ve had available. More important to fix all the rendering bugs they’ve fixed (props again for that, to any of the team that are listening).

    Quite possibly Microsoft should have devoted more resources to getting a standalone version for us poor web developers, but we’ve coped this long.

  16. I don’t think it is much use testing your current GUI development efforts in IE 7 beta 2. Beta 2 has some features missing (e.g. width, min-width behaviour) which pretty much makes it useless for testing your site. It seems like the current beta is mainly for the IE team to receive bugs about IE7 itself.

    However, when the new version is ready there is only one complete solution for serious GUI developers and that is to buy an Intel Mac:-) Using Parallels workstation you get a computer capable of running most popular OS:es concurrently.

  17. Comment #15 is a good summary of the “why” behind this.

    Microsoft went into more detail about it at MIX06, especially during the Future of IE7 presentation. There’s some good detail towards the end about the specific problems of standalone IEs. That link goes to the streaming WMV of the 50 minutes presentation, which is now available for free. :)

    The thing with IE is that it is not one EXE like Firefox. IE is a big collection of DLLs and is part of the Windows operating system. These components are used by lots of other Windows programs and they expect there to only be one version of each component. Microsoft havn’t done this to annoy us, it’s an architecture they are locked into.

    At MIX06 they said they would really like to find a way around this and were looking into ways of doing so. They are trying to find a stable workaround and encouraged developers to look into this as well.

    I know a few people that use “Virtual machine” software for developing programs, so maybe it could be used for testing different browsers using your websites. I havn’t found any tutorials specifically on this, though.

  18. I’d go to Virtual PC or Virtual Server which is free. However, you still have the problem of getting a license for the WinXP to run inside Virtual PC. As for me I’m a happy camper with Windows 2000 and have no reason for installing XP (except when I shall upgrade my workstation, and take advantage at nice software as Adobe Permiere and such which requires XP). Until that time I need an extra license - just to run IE, something I find troublesome.

    Purchasing an extra computer just to run IE7 is out of the question!

    I did some testing with the hacked versions, but I must have done something wrong the time I did it since I were really impressed by the CSS which IE4 were able to handle… Seems to me the hack I downloaded wasnt completely stable!

  19. You could try.. How would you run IE7 Beta without uninstalling your current IE?. I did this with the original IE7 Beta though there were some rough edges to the whole process. Use these standalone methods at your own risk. I rolled back to IE6 using the method described in IE7 FAQ. Microsoft realy do need to provide a professional solution and service during the transition and testing stages.

  20. I can tell you that from everything I have read Microsoft will recommend you install a andvirtual machine (regardless of the cost; not something they ever seem to mention). My advice, if you do go virtual, after trying lots of the Virtual machines, including all of the previously mentioned is Parallels its not free although there is a 30 day trial but its only $50 (or $40 for Mac’s) and you can run Win XP on a machine running XP with no Licensing restrictions; well its updated, validated for me since its on the same hardware :) The License is per processor so afaik theres no issue. I bought it and am running Ubuntu, Win XP with Opera 9, Firefox 2 and IE7 in the virtual world all on XP. Much quicker imo than any of the others, plus of course a “4 Gb” virtual hdd takes up about 1Gb of real space

  21. May 9, 2006 by Benson

    Seriously folks, get a testing computer specifically for IE7.

    It not that expensive for a low-end PC and think of the other testing environments you can use it for. If wem as web developers, aren’t willing to invest money into testing future browser environments then why test at all let alone others to follow standards. The amount of time wasted in hacking and modify IE7 could be spent working on billable work.

  22. I’m running IE6 on an old Win98 machine and IE7 on my Powerbook under Virtual PC but I can see everyones else’s dilemma here.

  23. May 9, 2006 by Andrew Francois

    With Virtual PC on a fast MacG5 (PPC) I have no problem creating a variety of custom hard-files of different set ups to test things. Unfortunately its not fast enough for resource heavy serious work, but Im a visual designer interested in testing CSS layouts - so it works perfectly for me.

    May be on the new Intel Macs speed is not an issue anymore? (a cheap Mac mini perhaps with multiple virtual PC setups?)

  24. I use BrowserCam with Capture and Remote Access service. It cost $399.00USD for a one year single user license, but it’s been worth it. Not only can I test every version of IE since 4.0 and beta 7, but I can test versions of other browsers too, like every version of Firefox, Safari, Opera and Camino. Not only that, but I can have the pages tested on Linux, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 98 and several versions of the Mac OS.

    I use Capture to deal with layout problems and Remote Access to deal with behavior issues. And for US business users, it’s tax deductable. :) Sorry to sound like an advertisement, but it really has helped me.

  25. I use IE7beta + standaloneIE’s side by side and a CC without a version vector, just [if IE]. In the linked separate all-IE style sheet, I hack the old way — even if there are some problems solved in IE7.

    I wouldn’t be too optimistic regarding an open letter to MS. This question was answered over and over again in the IE7blog since the first IE7beta is out. It’s official that side-by-side is not supported and that there are no plans to change this.

  26. I use standalone IE7 and the only problem I have so far is cond comments… I can’t get it work in both versions of IE. Actually if you want to run two or more versions of Firefox it’s a pain in the a$$ too… How much I like Opera that I can without any hacking run Opera 6, 7, 8 and 9 side by side.

  27. At home my fileserver runs IE6 so my main machine can run IE7 and at work we just make sure we have both available to us :)

  28. Looks like I’ll have to upgrade to Windows XP, unless someone can find a way to hack IE7 to run on Windows 2000 (Which probably wouldn’t be so hard, considering the only thing that stops IE from working on Windows 2000 is a Windows version test…)

  29. Buying a new computer just for testing a new version of a browser? Yeah right.

    :))

    (I couldn’t resist.)

  30. Seriously, I don’t think it’s such a big deal. And remember, it’s nothing new, we’ve had the same problem with every new IE version (so the problem is about as new as the AJAX technology… ;-)).

    Naturally I’d love to have several versions of IE installed on the same PC, but given the initial problem with IE being so tightly integrated to Windows (there lies the real issue), I don’t think it would be an easy feat for the IE team to make it possible to run multiple versions side by side.

    Of course none of the options we have is the ultimate solution, but there are easy ways to accomplish it with hacking.

    Personally, I have IE 6 installed and run IE 5.0, IE 5.5 and IE 7 beta as stand-alone versions. Works like a charm, and conditional comments and such will work just fine if you follow the directions in the page Mark linked too.

    So my advice to everyone is to be constructive about the whole thing, as opposed to getting upset, disregard it since you don’t want to deal with the issue and then the end result is that you won’t be doing proper testing. Who will suffer for that? Definitely not Microsoft.

  31. Option 5: Use ieCapture or a similar tool

  32. May 9, 2006 by Anonymous

    Seriously folks, get a testing computer specifically for IE7.

    I’m sorry, but that just isn’t a viable option, and like others, I find it absurd to do so.

    I work in a corporate environment. There are no ‘billable hours’, I work on salary. Corporate has everything locked down like Ft. Knox. I’m one of the lucky few who even has admin rights to my pc. Even so, I have no control over Windows updates, they push them out thru our login script - no options. Because of corporate programs and software, corporate IT hasn’t even upgraded XP to SP2 yet, so I CAN’T install IE 7 and I’d get my head handed to me if I tried to install SP2 on my own. If I asked for a 2nd pc JUST to test IE7, I’d be laughed out of the room.. there are budgets and they are tight.

    Despite the fact that I build web sites that do go into the public domain, not just intranet sites, corporate doesn’t really care. All they see is the bottom line and their strangle-hold security.

    For sites I might build freelance from home, I simply do not have the funds to go out and buy ANY new pc JUST to test IE 7. I’d rather spend a few bucks on BrowserCam when I need it. In either environment, if something breaks when IE 7 goes public, then I’ll spend the time to fix it. Corporate sure as heck doesn’t care.

  33. @Robert Nyman: First you’re saying that it’s too hard for them to make a standalone version and then that you are running a version that someone else hacked? Seriously, it can’t be that hard for them, with full sourcecode available, to do something.

    About being constructive: I agree, the IE Team has done a very good job in opening up communication with us developers and also fixed a lot of the important bugs. They are generally doing a good job (I hope that shows in the intro to the letter).

  34. Emil,

    First, I apologize for not posting the comment where it should’ve been: in your web site. Thanks for reading here as well. And yes, you were constructive. My only fear is just that people might only see the negative part of it, though, hence my comment (and no, I don’t regard that as your fault if it happens).

    And you’re right, my statement sounds like a contradiction (you’re on to me ;-)). But as I’ve read and heard, the IE team don’t regard the standalone versions as full-fledged versions of IE, so they won’t release them. This is although they, according to my experience, are totally functional when it comes to testing for web development purposes.

    So, to be more clear: I wish they would release some official versions, for testing purposes only, that are similar to the standalone hack, but I don’t think it would be easy for them to deliver side by side full (in their view) IE versions.

  35. May 9, 2006 by Roger Johansson (Author comment)

    Tim: Oh I don’t think I’m important enough to get a real answer either. I don’t even know if any IE Team members will read this, and if they do they may not be allowed to provide an answer.

    Jan: I haven’t tried it, so I don’t know ;-).

    Chris: I use Virtual PC on my Mac.

    bert: If you’re using an Intel machine that looks like a cheap option.

    Mark: Thanks, I hadn’t heard about that.

    Emil: Yep, I really hope I can make it to the next geek meet!

    Bruce Boughton, David: Ah, more free virtual machine options. Great!

    norcimo, Jason: Maybe running IE 6 standalone works better. I wouldn’t know since I haven’t tried it.

    Small Paul: Yeah of course it is problematic for the IE developers, but since a lot of people will be hacking their way to a solution anyway, why not make it easier for web developers?

    Peter: Yeah it’s weird that there are still so many problems and missing features in IE 7.

    Benson: Why should web developers be forced to have yet another set of cables and yet another noise source right next to them? No thanks. A software solution is the only viable option.

    Andrew: Speed is not an issue with Virtual PC on the old G4 PowerMac I have at the office.

    Tanny: BrowserCam and similar solutions are quite limited since they (afaik) only provide static screenshots. What if you need to test dynamic behaviour like JavaScript or changing text size?

    Ingo: Thanks, I haven’t read every comment on the IEBlog so I missed that one.

    Robert: Well I guess I’m kind of disappointed since Microsoft is supposed to be all web developer friendly these days. They have a lot of mental suffering to pay back for ;-p.

  36. May 10, 2006 by Benson

    Why should web developers be forced to have yet another set of cables and yet another noise source right next to them? No thanks. A software solution is the only viable option.

    What I’m saying is that relying on hacks or third-party solutions like BrowserCam is still limited when you need to fully test IE7. Although I can’t confirm this on IE7, previous versions of IE have been different when hacks are used to install with other versions. Bugs can vary tremedously in such a mixed environment.

    Also, BrowserCam is a really solution for small testing purposes but not a full web app testing involving much longer sessions. Its a great product/service, but many organisations will prefer a more controlled approach to testing.

    Of course I know its not are economical way of testing but its the only clear cut solution until Microsoft officially enables multi-version installs of IE.

  37. This is partly why I have chosen not to run IE7 at all. IE6 is still my main source of problems and I generally try to find hack free solutions whenever possible. Besides, from my experience, the few hacks I do use for IE6 are either still required in IE7 or have no detrimental effect if seen by a conformant browser.

    Eventually, when I do need to run both, I’ve got an old computer lying around that I can put the other one on. If I didn’t already have an old computer, I’d probably consider picking up an old laptop for a few hundred dollars.

  38. May 10, 2006 by Roger Johansson (Author comment)

    What I’m saying is that relying on hacks or third-party solutions like BrowserCam is still limited when you need to fully test IE7.

    Absolutely. I think BrowserCam and similar applications are way too limited to be useful for anything but small and static sites. By software solution I mean either running a virtual machine or being able to run hack-free IE 6 and IE 7 installations on the same computer.

  39. @Robert: Post your comments where you want, that’s not what’s important :) You’re probably right about the reason for not releasing a standalone; why release one when it can’t be complete? I think we have the reasons in the comments above.

    @Lachlan Hunt: I’m not currently running IE7 either. The main reason for this is because I’ve heard that it still is far from complete. I’ve read good things about the MIX06 version but I’ll just wait and see til it ships. Soon I’ll have no choice.

  40. Yeah, it doesn’t make sense to get a new PC just to test a new version of a browser.

    When IE7 comes out, It may may sense to get an old PC to test the old version. Look around - I bet you can pick up an old box that’s capable of running IE6 for less than a coupla months browser cam subscription.

    Personally, I’m not worrying about IE7 until it’s ready to come out.

  41. I regard IE7 as a ‘stopgap version’, so I may use ‘stopgap solutions’ to solve any problems that may arise while waiting for a real version - IE8 or something.

    • So far there aren’t all that much new in IE7 that require separate testing, so a list of differences and the occasional ‘remote-check’ are more than enough for the time being.
    • I have a couple of PCs waiting in case I want to do local testing on a stable and publicly widespread IE7 one day. May take a while.
    • Forcing IE7 into Quirks mode and leave it at that. No IE7 needed to test on, as IE6 will do just fine for 99% of everything. I hardly ever let IE6 run in its ‘not very standard mode’ anyway - except for testing-purposes.
    • Someone provided me with a free BrowserCam account, so I can do the necessary testing of trouble-spots.

    So, I’m in no hurry…

  42. I’ve always felt MS ducks from responsibility for this issue - their solutions tend to require buying extra Windows licenses and so forth. We really do need a simple package from MS that does whatever is required to download and install multiple versions.

    We have all come to understand the problems with scattered DLL and EXE files yadda yadda yadda. But the message (which I think the new IE team probably receives) is that we don’t care what the problem is, nor do I think we should have to… we just need a reasonably simple solution (the word ‘hack’ should not be required ;)).

    We don’t all have the resources to buy extra computers, buy virtualisation software, or even to subscribe to browsercam (although having used browsercam I’d happily recommend it to anyone else).

    At work I’m lucky enough to have access to a VMWare server with all the testing options we need, but that’s a happy outcome of working in a large organisation. Even if all the software is free you still need to be able to resource the time/hardware to set it all up. VMWare images are big!

  43. August 15, 2006 by Jeff

    Get hard drive removable shell(s), grab a few old 4 gig hard drives from here and there, install each and load OS, register since you are using same hardware footprint it shouldn’t care or just get 30 day trials, install IE/browser version on each of the HDs and then just shut down, swap drives and reboot. maybe cost you $100. Or even just use Norton Ghost to image several versions and reimage your environment, only take 5-10 mins.

  44. I may be lazy or scared, but I have another alternative that should be a viable option for a greater number of developers: AOL Explorer. Follow the link for more details.

  45. August 16, 2006 by Roger Johansson (Author comment)

    Mike: Good tip! I’ll try it ASAP.

  46. Very sorry, my idea doesn’t work!

    Someone found out it uses the rendering engine of the local IE install. In other words, if IE7 is installed, AOL is piggy-backing off of it. This blows. It’s not that I don’t like being wrong (sucks, but I can live with it… my wife has for 20 years), it’s just that I must go back to jogging downstairs to use another browser with IE6 on it for testing.

  47. Hi, I’m a Mac Intel user, I wanted to debug my sites in IE for Windows. I wasn’t satisfied with the Web services to preview/capture sites through IE. So I tried CrossOver, but it only supported IE6 and poorly - 50% of sites didn’t load even in a win98 bottle. So I tried Parallels. Installing it was fast and easy (more than for Virtual PC) Starting to install Windows XP was easy, but then it became over complex and I had to wait very long for it to be completed. Then I had to fix an IP address conflict. Then I finally got able to run IE6 on Windows XP. I wanted to view my site in IE7 so I installed it - even if I felt that it was gonna have some consequences. Then I found out that IE7 disabled IE6 (not surprising at all from Microsoft), so I uninstalled IE7 to re enable IE6. The whole thing took me 4 hours. There’s no way I’m gonna Install and have more than 1 Windows XP, especially if for only 1 software on each.

    So here I am.

  48. September 12, 2006 by Brett Mitchell

    So far I’ve seen a lot of people say “buying another computer is ridiculous”, and “out of the question”… but to be honest, I’m surprised the serious developers here don’t HAVE another computer to start with.

    I’m sure I’m just a kid to some (most?) of the other people who read and comment here as I’ll be turning 22 next month, but I can’t imagine creating an application from start to finish (pencil+paper to public release) without my laptop for portability and desktop for power and speed… Not to mention how handy it is to have a 3rd computer for backups and old browsers and other assorted rarely-used programs. I don’t even do it full-time — I have a 9-5 job that I do my web-dev work around.

    While computer prices have dropped dramatically (www.mdgdirect.ca sells full desktops for under a dollar a day), even an affordable computer isn’t always an option (be it space concerns, the corporate environment, etc)… for anyone who works for themselves or has the capability to run more than 1 workstation, I’ve found it to be a worthwhile investment.

  49. October 19, 2006 by Tudor

    For Brett - please think that there are many developers who can’t afford to buy a second computer or laptop - there are many countries where a developer earns no more than 300 USD / month, so buying another PC is out of the question…

  50. October 19, 2006 by Charley Farley

    I also think, regardless of the cost implication that running another PC is just inconvenient when going through an edit->test->debug cycle.

    Even a virtual PC feels a little less natural than just cycling through a bunch of loaded browsers with Alt+Tab and refreshing.

    Plus, you’d possible need a virtual machine running IE4 (maybe) and Netscape, one running IE5 and/or IE5.5(?), now one running IE6 and finally IE7 on your “main” PC. Running all of these concurrently to cycle-test is going to really hurt performance of even a well-endowed computer?

    Having moaned about the virtual PC solution, if we can’t have genuine, un-hacked side-by-side browser installs, it still seems like the best option?

  51. I think here is a good solution, allows you to run all versions of IE from 3-7.

    Multiple IE

  52. November 21, 2006 by Bridgette Seiberlich

    Dreamweaver Ultra Dev use to have something where you could test a page in different browsers and different versions. Microsoft should do something similiar for Visual Studio.NET 2005.

  53. November 23, 2006 by Justin

    As with comment 13 I have now installed IE 6 as a stand alone browser from:
    http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/standalone

    I can test in IE 6 and IE 7 no problem

    Then with using the hacks on this webpage (*):
    http://snook.ca/archives/htmlandcss/targetting_ie7/

    I target IE 7 and/or IE 6.

  54. November 23, 2006 by Lonnie

    Hey guys I’m pulling a fundraiser for a 20 user browsercam membership. You will get 1 year’s access to Browsercam for only $25 (It goes for that a MONTH - look at www.browsercam.com). The plan offers:

    12 months of Unlimited access to the Capture service and unlimited access to 30-minute Remote Access sessions on Windows, Mac and Linux machines.

    This is all being done via fundable.org at: https://www.fundable.org/groupactions/groupaction.2006-11-23.3387277043

    You can’t beat this deal and I would have to say this is a must for any professional developer/designer without all the major platforms and browsers to test on in their business/studio.

  55. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE - Run multiple stand-alone versions of IE

    Probably isn’t a perfect set of IEs, but gives you a rough idea of any problems.

  56. Microsoft now offers Virtual PC as a free download (guess we’ll have to drop the $ in Micro$oft). They are currently beta-testing the 2007 version and to my delight the 2007 final version will be a free download too.

  57. December 30, 2006 by Henry2man

    The solution commented on #12 is the best. Currently I have IE7 as main browser and I downloaded IE6 from this page, which works ok.

    Thanks norcimo!

  58. Hey thanks for this…Multiple Ie has solved my problems…

    1. 2006-10-20, 14.51 by Christopher

      I think here is a good solution, allows you to run all versions of IE from 3-7.

      Multiple IE

  59. I have a client that has a win 2000 and have problems to view my latest developed website in IE 6, its working here at IE 6-7, MAC safari, Firefox, Flock, Netscape, Opera and i run win XP…

    What is proper to tell the clients to do…??

    I mean win 2000 is 7 years old and i dont think its ok…

    what should i do??

  60. May 25, 2007 by ShaSpleen

    The Multiple IE Installer works like a charm!!

    Homepage: http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE

    Download: http://tredosoft.com/files/multi-ie/multiple-ie-setup.exe

  61. DONT INSTALL THE SAFARI FOR XP. its really messed me up here, its a warning…

    Installed Safari for XP but after that i cant run my IE 6 multiple (http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE), its totally cracking my system together.. I have a terrible situation, tried to uninstall ie6, the multiple thing, safari but its now just a mess here…

    I have to trust my experience here to continue development but tis really bad…

    Michael

  62. As a long time Mac designer I have gone through many avenues of testing for IE, the only foolproof way I found is to have a PC just for that, I keep it under my desk and it runs IE6 on XP, using the free download from Microsoft for Remote Desktop (carryover from Terminal Services in NT I believe) I can access it for testing. But I’m open to alternatives I’ve read about here. As an energy conservative I usually don’t have the pc fired up until I need it, so it’s a pain for office real estate as well as time constraints in my case.

  63. Thanks for the heads up Michael Persson. I am about to install Multiple IE but I have already Safari installed in my XP.

  64. August 15, 2007 by Maarten

    I found out that print preview of IE 7 renders the page as IE6.

    Of course it’s static content, but it may help a little.

    Just push Alt + B to display the page full size.

    Have fun!

    Maarten

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